One of my peoples stumbled onto this blog and told me to check it out. I must say it is quite funny how people's reaction and comments are to this lil' controversy.
Apparently,the user based web dictionary Wikipedia defines the word "Ipohmali" as ....gasp, "Prostitutes"! So there is quite a bit of hoohar...and people starting to question why I did the song..etc Read it all here and make the judgement yourself!
This was my response in the comments section:
Comment by Point Blanc on May 17, 2007 5:04 pm
Wow, I didn’t know my song will create so much controversy. After reading every comment and having been told by my people not to comment, I feel it is the least I can do to speak out.
Let’s be honest, does the word “Ipohmali” really mean prostitutes? Or because Wikipedia says so? I hear a lot of jargon like ignorance thrown around so let’s think for a second. What is Wikipedia? As far as I know and correct me if I’m wrong, wikipedia is a “user based” dictionary. I understand it as people writing in their own definitions for particular words. It is NOT the official recognized dictionary of the real world.
I have been a Malaysian and Ipoh-ite for most of my life. I have never heard of the term “Ipohmali” defined as “prostitutes”. In fact, most of us here know it as” from Ipoh” hence all the famous lines like ” Ipohmali tadak sombong”…etc. Heck if it meant prostitute, this word wouldn’t be used so much in our culture. Do u mean somebody is calling you a prostitute when they react to you telling them you’re from Ipoh? Cos’ the general reply from non Ipoh ppl who after finding out you’re from Ipoh would be” Oh, Ipohmali ah?”. And honestly, if it meant “prostitutes” it wouldn’t get played on radio.
C’mon people. Let’s keep it real here. I do agree that if a foreigner does search Wikipedia he will be shocked but then again that is beyond my control. Cos’ Ipohmali’s true definition is NOT prostitutes. Even the definition on Wikipedia describes it as pimps telling customers that these girls are from Ipoh and at that time most beautiful gals are from Ipoh. So the word does mean “from Ipoh” and NOT prostitutes.
I wrote this song with the purest of intentions. To make us Malaysians be proud of where we’re from. To use our OWN slangs and make it cool instead of always using and emulating foreign slangs like Yo, whassup…etc. Hence I made the title “Ipohmali”. and if anyone really listens to the lyrics, it is a song about my life story to inspire many Malaysians out there that no matter where they are from, they can make their dreams come true if they put their minds to it.
So for those who think I wrote this song without any thought or by plain ignorance, you are wrong. We should try to open our minds more. Sometimes we might think we are really open minded or smart to comment on things and point fingers, but sometimes we have to look at ourselves too.
Much respect to those that supported me and have kept an open mind. Bo hoo to those that don’t see it. Get the album “Straight to the Point” hitting record stores in June. Maybe might have more Wikipedia unfriendly titles;)
Sigh, so there it is , controversy in my music. And I'm not that type of artiste to keep quite and not say something. What do you guys think of all this?
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Hey there. I followed the link you left on my blog when you commented earlier.
I must admit the bulletin I found really caught me off-guard. Added with the fact that, as the bulletin stated, Wikipedia had an entry that described the meaning of the term as such, it did give the controversy some credibility. But now that you've given your two cents' worth, thinking back on everything, was it really a controversy in the first place?
We never doubted your intentions in writing the song - as you can see from the majority of comments we more or less agreed that no one should put you at fault, because, as you said, Wikipedia is a "user based" dictionary.
I apologize if I offended you in any way. It was not my intention to make you look bad or ignorant. Still, kinda relieved you found it funny though. I sure did too at the beginning. =)
I think I'll put up your comment in a new post to alert people to what you yourself have to say on the 'controversy'. That way, you won't be the artiste that kept quiet and didn't say anything.
Cheers,
-jared-
well b!+ches are dumb, it's so vivd that they are on the net 24/7 on the net or in a room. I mean look at the a$$ h0le, u can tell tht f*ck£r believed everything he read on the net, IF there's a pic of his mother and says that his mother a prostitute, will he believe that tht's a fact?
slang is everywhere, i mean e.g. BM, ppl says use it their own way, tht's y every state's BM are different
nuff said
well, if there's controversy, all i can say is, u've made it.hah! ok ok on a more serious note, the first piece of controversy on Ipohmali is not this one, i read an sms msg in the star dat said ipohmali is a disgrace n better left unsung.
furthermore, a pic of me n Point was used in 'uncyclopedia'.which is a diss site for everything, kinda like the opposite of wikipedia n an encyclopedia.
i'm sure there r plenty more controversies to come, brace urself.
like i said, if there's a controversy, well, U'VE MADE IT.
quote by
"stmaverick..
I apologize if I offended you in any way. It was not my intention to make you look bad or ignorant. Still, kinda relieved you found it funny though. I sure did too at the beginning. =)"
B***CH...u r so FAKE!!
t’s funny how people claim Wikipedia as unreliable only when it’s convenient. ^^
First of all, those who decides to attack another by flaming should really start to consider how primitive your rhetoric skills are, using words like f*ck£, a$$ h0le, or B***CH, honestly, do not change opinions. Want to be heard? Start acting civil and like adults. And I hope Point Blanc would agree, as the owner of the blog.
I would start a discussion on existence, but the mere presence of the derogatory version of Ipoh Mali amongst people’s mind has already proved the existence of the word, albeit many people being oblivious to it, I, myself got acquainted with the word from a real person, search the web and you’ll find bloggers that share the same experience. Want more concrete proofs? Just go to youtube and search for Ipoh Mali, a stand up comedy skit by Bolehman that made a reference of Ipoh Mali to vices and pimps.
‘Ipoh Mali’ – not exactly prostitutes? Reference to beautiful girl by pimps? Don’t be naïve.
Not a real word? Of course not, it’s colloquial! And the colloquialism serves specifically for ‘Pimps’.
Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?
The term leaks from everywhere, and if it makes any of you feel any better by disregarding it, no offense, you’re just delusional.
To Point Blanc, please do not for a second think that this controversy is about all about you… stmaverick and the visitors in his blog, has countless times brought up that you are not at fault for this embarrassing fiasco, and we were merely having an intellectual discussion about the dangers of ignorance and the welfare of our fellow Malaysian’s attitude and mentality.
We are NOT trying to harm your sales margin, we are not planning to burn your CDs either. ^^
People here have the freedom of choice, and when presented with facts, you can choose to happily accept Ipoh Mali as just harmless word, or you can accept a term which bears a significant, truthful, historical weight…
Either way, do it on your conscience when you exercise the definition. Just bear in mind the consequences of averting an important fact, and how ignorant we will be deem in the public’s eye. For all the well-intentioned lyrics, it could just be easily undone by ignorance.
The dangers of ignorance, that is all the lesson we should be learning.
And to Point Blanc, I wish you success in any of your future endeavors.
To Vince:
Thanks for your well wishes for my future success. I really appreciate it.
Now to adress your opinions. No, not for one second I thought this controversy is about me but rather about the few people out there who are indeed so ignorant that they believe everything they read on the net.
You have a way in your writing to make yourself seem very smart and intelligent or even "adultlike".
But the truth is, your so called "concrete" proof of the word being defined as "prostitutes" is based on some random real person, a couple of bloggers that agree with you and a video on Youtube by some dude called Bolehman? Hmmmm.... You do know that Youtube is user based as well right? Not the official National Geographic, Dicovery Channel, CNBC,CNN, etc....
And btw, unlike yourself, I (among lots of people out there) do NOT use Wikipedia at all so its not just "convenient" to make it unreliable. We use Oxford and other officially recognized dictionaries.
Let's be adults here. Throw away all your fancy & bombastic words and all you have is you being plain ignorant. Thats the favourite word used right?Ignorance.
Why? cos' you and some of your friends ignorantly believe some random dude out there that had too much extra time and went to Wikipedia to type in his own definition of "Ipohmali" as the truth. That you ignorantly believe "Bolehman" and your one "real" guy that it is the truth. C'mon pal, do some research other than from your internet linked computer.
The real world had plays in Actor's Studio in Bangsar starring Carmen Soo entitled Ipohmali something not too long ago. Please do walk down jalan Alor and ask for "Ipohmali". Try asking for "KLmali" Im sure the pimp will tell you he got those too. So does that mean "KLmali" means prostitute? hahaaha
The reason I'm even replying all this and putting it on my blog is not because of my music or sales, etc.. It is because I'm from Ipoh and I will not let a bunch or ignorant people go around spreading negativity to a harmless Malaysian slang like "Ipohmali".
So ignorance? I suggest Vince, you think hard about that word before you use it so freely to convey your thoughts. I expect your reply no doubt.
To stmaverick:
Ok, I believe you. I myself is a firm believer of freedom of speech so your actions by putting it in your blog is no crime to me. Plus you do seem like an open minded guy. Thanks for your support dude. No offence taken.
i dun think anyone uses d word 'ipohmali' to refer to prostitutes lar. not seriously anyway, after this, maybe, just for kicks, bcos of this controversy.
but i can say dat 9 out of 10 ppl understand 'ipohmali' as 'from ipoh'.
stmaverick, n all those who believes "ipohmali" means prostitudes, with full respects, if u guys r trying 2 make a name 4 urselves, pls use some better ways 2 do so. before u wanna start some thing. pls go n do deep research about the subject matter. if u guys really thinks "ipohmali" means prostitude, u can do a simple survey by asking ppl around u, around the place u stay, around the place u hang out wat "ipohmali" means. im sure all of them will tell u it mean "from ipoh". n talking bout ignorance, arent u guys equally ignorance 2 do a deeper & a more complete research on the subject matter? y dun u guys research bout the country culture n how does the words evolve n stuffs? or u guys just into "pimping" factor only? u guys r the people with so called high intelligence. so y dun take some times, sit down, think properly & thoroughly bout the "controversy" that u guys discover. n i do sincerely hope u guys will do the survey & research coz that wud b more effective compare 2 wasting ur time defending urselves on blogs n stuffs. trust me, watever the result is, its way much stronger then all this words war.
p/s: i noticed dat every 1 use superb english here, so pls 4give me 4 my england is not powderful.
Sad indeed Point Blanc that I've shown you respect and courtesy but was returned with none.
To berate my choosing of words? And to judge me base on my vocabulary? This is called character assassination, and I regrettably frown at the attempt to lambast my credibility by way of blind verdict – you don’t even know me.
Your description of my ‘bombastic’ words are merely the words I use to express myself in the way I want in accuracy and precision, to convey the words in the desired context. And the language skills I possess are fruits of my education and studies, and please so do help me and refrain from insulting me any further, by assuming my rhetoric is just some form of fluke. And make no mistake I’m not here to impress anyone, I just do not see the necessity to dumb down my language to get my message across.
And now to the main issue:
It seems you are refusing to accept truths that are connected and substantiated by ‘cross referencing’ and ‘reasonable doubt’.
Truth has many philosophical reasoning and numerous interpretations, but a commonly accepted definition of truth is that of ‘fact’ and ‘reality’. A reality is constructed when an event/object sparks a reaction that leads to another event, on the basis of cause and effect. Causality is the proof of reality.
A reality, due to the constraints of human mortality and technology, cannot be accurately assessed or unearthed in the past, hence historical research are conducted through archeological findings, social studies, science and hard evidences to formulate credence. When two or more sources are cross-referenced, and the events acknowledges, coincides and parallels, it becomes a fact.
I have three or more sources, which all of them you have, again, incorrectly assumed,
1) A friend, whom I know personally and spoke to in real person, it was a knowledge long known before I heard of the song.
2) Bloggers, whose experience are exclusive from mine.
http://endroog.com/2007/03/01/my-trip-to-ipoh/
3) Wikipedia, the definition was there long before the controversy. No friend of mine put it there.
To counter your claim to the KL-Mali-what-if, Ipoh Mali is not without a little history:
Historically, during the tin mine rush, Ipoh experienced a large migration of Chinese nationals…they constitute mainly as miners, tycoons and business owners. Ipoh, as well, was feeling the full force of urbanization. Like any newly migrant-populated towns and wealthy businessmen, the sex trade comes naturally. Judging by the level of wealth produced, the ‘imported’ girls from China must be of quality.
‘Ipoh Mali’, correctly pronounced as ‘Ipoh Mari’, was the Chinese dialect twist for their inability to pronounce ‘R’…and it soon became a term, in its original form, to refer to social escorts, as in Ipoh. Along the years however, tin became little of value and the mines were exhausted, and so the concentration of wealthy Chinese businessmen broke away and spread across Malaysia. Hence, the reduction of ‘complementary services’ and the lessening use of the term.
If you would just stop a second a digest the facts above, and before you decide to refute them any further, just start to think about why has the derogatory term came to knowledge in the first place? How did it come into Wikipedia? In blogs and common knowledge?
Causality and reality, facts and truths, and reasonable doubt, IT HAPPENED, IT EXISTS.
And please understand, that I’m not enforcing this decision of Ipoh Mali to anyone…if anything, the harmless version of Ipoh Mali is just as truthful as the other because of its extensive use, and you can choose to believe that it’s an innocuous term just as much. But just bear in mind, the consequences when you choose to DISREGARD the former, that you are sacrificing an attachment to Ipoh social history for the sake of a song.
And I question when we let go a piece of history, is that really being patriotic to Ipoh? When presented with facts, would you still be able to use the innocuous term in good conscience?
I know I won’t, it will hurt our people, it will hurt me. More deeply than you know.
vince, go read my blog
ahbald.blogspot.com
I even asked a Malay rapper, what he understand by it. I even read a forum, and none of them ever mention what u said as the meaning.
You may be educated at a higher level BUT when it comes from lingo of M;sian streets, u can't learn it via Internet.
I aint gonna waste my time arguing so, go and read my blog.
Hey ya'll,
I checked Wikipedia d..
I typed in "Ipohmali" and also "Ipoh mali"..
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=ipohmali
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=ipoh+mali&go=Go
Nothing aboout prostitutes...
Hope everyone is well! :)
~misstina~
Ok, this is the last reply comment I'm writing to this whole hilarious situation. So, here goes:
To Vince:
I just finished watching Star Trek just now on TV and I must say you sound like a Vulcan. Hope you don't take offense as I'm joking here less you feel hurt or that I have treated you with any disrespect. I apologize if I do seem a bit harsh and sarcastic but that is my nature as it is yours to speak in logical Vulcanlike gibberish. (Live long and prosper:)
Let’s get down to it. Yet again, with your "language skills you possess from your fruits of your education and studies" you still are not making valid points.
Your little historical lesson on Ipoh is only partly true. It is true that Ipoh was a tin mining town on the verge of urbanization. it is true that many Chinese immigrants came there to seek a better living. Heck it might be even true they might have been some sort of a flesh trade happening amidst all this.
But dude, what you were explaining is the common occurrence of Malaya at that time. Most states and parts of Malaya that time had an influx of immigrants coming to seek a better life. That little historical description of Ipoh can be also applied to Kuala Lumpur too.
Your little inserts on how suddenly the term "Ipohmali" was associated with prostitution while explaining factual historical events just takes the cake. C’mon dude. Those are your own assumptions combined with real historical facts and you expect people to believe that is true history?
So are you saying the word "human" mean barbarians? Since historically human beings were barbariclike. Or the word "women" mean prostitutes as well? Cos as long as history has proven, women have always been in the flesh trade. Can you see how ridiculous your explanation about how a historical reference applies to words?
And your little Mr. Spock impersonation of explaining truth and fact based on existence, yadayada...Lets do an experiment based on your theory then. Let's say I think you are a "prick". Based on your theory and explanation, and I quote "When two or more sources are cross-referenced, and the events acknowledges, coincides and parallels, it becomes a fact."
So I'm sure 2 or more people in here "may" agrees with me, the event does acknowledge as we are all commenting on this forum, coincides and parallels, this part I think you are just speaking gibberish to sound smart, it becomes a FACT!!! So is it a fact that you are a prick?
Once again I'm not here to diss you, just putting your own words to test. To me, you have no point at all. And that whole part about conscience and all?ahah...to hurt our people? C'mon dude.
And you asking if it is not true then how the definition of the word crept into common knowledge. The answer is simple. Self absorbed, ignorant people like you who spread it around thinking it is the truth with a higher than thou attitude.
You are right about one thing. I do NOT know who you really are. But from what I gather from your comments, you need to get out more or watch less Star Trek. I know REAL people who are really smart and they don't talk like you in real life.
Now that's some character assassination fo' yo' ass;)
Peace dude.
Your mastery of the concept of facts is fabulous ^^. Though, in that respect, I’m not sure why you are still refusing to accept the existence of the derogatory version of Ipoh Mali. What exactly are you defending?
You say that you don’t know me and again, presumed that I spend most of time watching Star Trek? And comparing me to Vulcan? Such insincere notions. Dear PB, rhetoric cannot be learned without knowledge, and wisdom cannot be honed through idleness. I’ve never watched Star Trek, but I’ve spent countless hours reading sociology and philosophies, attending history lessons, public discussions and writing stories to get to where I am. This is how academics and modern antecedent sophist argue to make a point, so before you think such rhetoric only exist in fiction and in sci-fi movies, I think you should be one who should expand beyond your norms^^
In response to KL vs Ipoh:
Good point, but Ipoh in early to mid 20th century was facing enormous growth, far more rapid than their Southern counterpart, with much more prominence after the establishment of major British companies. In KL, they were still struck by civil war, natural disasters, disease and racial rivalry.
In respect to that, Ipoh was the first to develop socially…it became a hub of night clubs, cinema halls, amusement park and was unequivocally unrivalled in West Malaysia, hence, the imports of more quality ‘girls’…until the tin crash where KL assumed prosperity..
In response to words and meanings:
I would hope that you’d refrain from twisting my words, and I think you are far more intelligent to differentiate humans to barbarians, women to prostitutes. Although, it does return a different meaning under innuendo and different context. ^^
Still, I’ll entertain you by saying Ipoh Mali is spelt and pronounced in error for a specific purpose, just like how ‘barbarians’ are separated from ‘humans’ to separate the meanings altogether. Why not pronounce it properly i.e. Ipoh Mari? Why resort to colloquialism? Why is the misspelling so popular? It was separated for a reason.
To excaliber: I do realize that Ipoh Mali has dualism in meaning, as many people are oblivious to it. The fact that real people knows about it and it actually exist, gives it a certain benefit of doubt, doesn’t it? Again, if you wish to believe otherwise, no one is stopping you.
To Antoinette: As unlikely as it seems, there was a point where someone actually removed the content from Wikipedia…it is a shame, really. But there are several more sites that have quoted Wikipedia. http://www.klseeker.com/Article-Malaysia-The_city_of_Ipoh.htm, Causality – proof of reality and existence ^^ There’s another link at the previous comment that substantiate the knowledge amongst people.
To Point Blanc: You continually and blatantly dismiss evidence, it’s very much that you’re thinking less of those people who are aware of the original meaning, while you are trapped defending your own realm. You continue to make me look like a villain for the plain reason that I’m explaining the evidence to the roots of Ipoh Mali, and why all the trash talk?
And make no mistake, everyone… that I’m not here to give a rat-ass for nothing.
You think my sole objective is to fuel my egoistical pride? You’re hugely mistaken.
This incident has illustrates how people are so prepared to defend an ungainful stance at the whim of ego and self-interest, without considering the circumstances. Think of how foreigners would laugh at our ignorance, that we are unaware even of our own history and language…while we continue to chant Ipoh Mali in the wrong direction.
Is this how we portray Malaysians in the international scene? Do we just simply ignore the mess we’ve created?
People have asked me to drop the whole thing entirely, but little do they realize the magnitude of culpability. Are we already so willing to sacrifice our history for the sake of a rap song? Am I to keep quiet about the dangers that we about to face?
I’m sorry, whether you acknowledge it or not, the derogatory meaning does and still exists, it binds to Ipoh’s history and it will not be easily forgotten. What are you going to do?
Erase all evidence? Silence and villainize those who oppose? Ignore and hope it will fade away? Forsaking history to cover up our mess?
“It’s out of my control,”? What a disgusting attitude.
You sing about being true to your roots, but remember that disregarding a historical attachment is guilty, and to actively ignoring the knowledge is culpable, and to instigate the massive in to this mess is double the crime.
Bear in mind, I’m not here to cause a stir for the sake of fun or fame. In the end, I will be forgotten, nobody would really know who I am …but what I do hope to see is a lesson learned, that Malaysians have to learn to accept mistakes and educate themselves on things that are harmful, the things that are important, so they can make better decisions and not to fall into a controversy like this anymore.
“If we had known, we wouldn’t even write this song in the first place,” that’s wishful thinking, but it’s a start.
Everybody has the responsibility to educate themselves to not to fall into this kind of trap, to be gracious and educated, to be free from ignorance and pride. Do it for the sake of the country, and we’ll elevate into something higher, our music richer, our ideas and inspirations more refined.
I know I won’t have the last word, and base on Point Blanc’s previous posts, I can’t help but to expect more sarcasm, comparison to fictional characters, and shallow assumptions and insights to my intentions and character.
Till then, have a nice day.
Ok, I DID say my previous post was my last but this dude just gets me with all this "rhetoric" bullshiet.
So here goes:-
To Vince:
You know why I sound sarcastic and as if I'm dissin' you? Well for one, the title of this blog is about my cynical, sarcastic atitude to self promote and talk shiet. Second, because you kinda asked for it. C'mon pal, here's some quotes of yours:-
"This incident has illustrates how people are so prepared to defend an ungainful stance at the whim of ego and self-interest, without considering the circumstances. Think of how foreigners would laugh at our ignorance, that we are unaware even of our own history and language…while we continue to chant Ipoh Mali in the wrong direction.
Is this how we portray Malaysians in the international scene? Do we just simply ignore the mess we’ve created?
“If we had known, we wouldn’t even write this song in the first place,” that’s wishful thinking, but it’s a start.
Everybody has the responsibility to educate themselves to not to fall into this kind of trap, to be gracious and educated, to be free from ignorance and pride. Do it for the sake of the country, and we’ll elevate into something higher, our music richer, our ideas and inspirations more refined."
You know what I hate most about people in general? Hypocrites. Sheer hypocrisy in our society.
Why hypocrisy you cry? I'm taking a guess that you are Malaysian. And even though you talk like how you do I'm sure you do use words like "Botak" or do refer to a place in Malaysia as "Bentong".
So based on all your "rhetoric" explainations, why do you use such words? Unless you can sincerely tell me you have never used these words in your life.
Why I use those 2 words as examples? well lets see,historicaly. Let's start with "Botak".
Does Botak mean communist? Cos, if someone posted on Wikipedia and linked it to the infamous "Botak Chin" who was one of Malaysia's notorious Communist, would you stop using the word and what would the "foreigners" think of us? Gasp, calling bald people terrorsit? We can't deny it, the word Botak was used to describe a popular Malaysian Communist. So how?
Let's take it a step further. "Bentong". It was used as a nickname for the notorious criminal and murderer "Bentong Kali". So do you mean we should never address the place with its true name as it might pain a bad picture to the rest of the world as if you are from "bentong" you are a "criminal" or a "murderer"?
There are probably a million other Malaysian words linked to duality that YOU USE everyday. Are you guilty for disregarding historical attachment and using these words to make our country look so bad to the world out there?
See how with all your fancy wordplay you just come off as someone who is making no point and just sound hypocritical and ignorant?
You keep harping I'm trying to deny the facts and making you the villain and causing so much damage to our beloved homeland to the eyes of the world. Can't you see I'm actually trying to stop people like you from doing that?
So Mr. Vince, no matter how many philosophical classes or stories you write, you sometimes need to lighten up and see things in the REAL world for what they are.
To close all this I'm going to use a very "dumbed" down saying to try to make it clear to you.
"When you point a finger at someone, remember 3 fingers are pointing back at you"
and here's one from religion:
“Let he cast the first stone.."
I apologize if I sound harsh or as if I'm attacking you. But I can't seem to sit down and let this go as the reputation of my hometown is at stake here based on some unpredictable "facts". Wouldn't you do the same if you were me?
fulamak. it's off full blast d.
all i want to say is, ok, ipohmali=protitute was used once-upon-a-time. but it's not being use today!! today it means 'from ipoh'
u talk about the real meaning of 'ipohmali' who's to say what the real meaning of ipohmali is? kalau nak cakap the true meaning, then it really means 'from ipoh'.
n i've read the post on klseekers. yes it says ipohmali refers to protitutes, like in the 1950's!!! it's not being used anymore.
today it simply means 'from ipoh'
Ammogurl,
((WORD!!))
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dayum, typo with d word 'prostitutes' in my last reply. buat malu jer.
Come on...
People in Malaysia can never see how much a musician for example, Point Blanc putting in much effort putting up songs and all. Ipohmali, the song, very well have define the meaning of the songs. It never talk about sex, drugs, etc.
I think a lot of people have to open up their mind. Some people have to start knowing that they have to stop criticizing, and do other things. If you don't like a song, move aside. There will be others who liked it. One man's meat is another man's poison, so the wise said.
Maybe we should all start opening our eyes and help the local industry come up. People should not judge an artist by one song and make fun of him/her and make it a big controversy.
I very well respected Point Blanc as an artist and I believe that Voyeur Records will bring Malaysian music to another level. But Malaysian have to start supporting our homeboy and stop all the negative vibe. If you don't like a song, turn the radio off, and stay quiet. Writing a bulletin and passing around is a cowardly way of talking bad about someone. Can't they just get straight to the artist, and discuss before they judge a person.
You can discuss, not judge. Not starting to defame him/ her...
Much respect to you Point, I'm looking forward to hear your album, and I wish you well.
Vic Jamm
Post a comment on stmaverick blog. This is my comment:
"People, people. It is Wikipedia man!! Anyone can edit that page and come out with whatever defination they think is right!! It is what a single individual think is right but not what is right. It's not even a fact. Others website just mirrored what is in Wikipedia.
Another point is Wikipedia is not a credible source to determine the real meaning of Ipoh Mali. As the term is use only in Malaysia the defination of Ipoh Mali should be determined by our Bahasa Language Dept a.k.a Dewan Bahasa dan Pustaka. Try go the their website at http://www.dbp.gov.my/ and search for the term. Youi'll get nothing. It's basically undefined yet.
Another point people. Language evolved. Even is it means "prostitute" in the 50's during the collonial period doesn't mean it's still carries the same meaning now. For goodness sake we are no longer under the British ruling!!!
Last one. If you ask people in Malaysia what Ipoh Mali means that 999/1000 people will say it simply means "from Ipoh".
So people. The song is not controversy. Listen to the lyrics!! Or ask your English teacher. "
I vouch for you Point. Keep up the good work.
Vic Jamm & Jordan,
((WORD!!))
p/s:You gonna love the album..trust me..
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Vic Jamm n Jordan.........
u guys da bomb lar!!!
woohoo!!
hey point,i feel u man...ppl will always say the things they wanna say besides controversy ain't nothing new.X was like more mad bout it than u,i think its great that you're cool bout it.always supporting u.can't wait for the album to drop :)
Being wise is to shut up and be a man. Claiming to be intellectual is something stupid.
Self praise, international disgrace.
I don't know how the hech this people can go to Wikipedia and change the definition of Ipohmali then attack Point Blanc. Come on la, this people really tak der kerja.
I wonder why if this word Ipohmali was so "bad", the parliment has never spoken about it. Don't tell me that all of them called MP are deaf. Hey, they know, they can hear, and if really meant prostitute, Ipohmali will still be No.1 on MET10?
Point Blanc and the crew, don't give a shiet about all this thing. Like Tupac said, " Don't judge me if you don't know me ". I believe people are just unable to see someone do well, so they want to defame them. This society is full of anonymous defamers, but in reality, they're coward. They talk all the shiet they want just to be famous. As if that making "Ipohmali" sound bad will win them a Grammy. C'mon la, everyone has their own business rather than give in into your sickness of L.O.A. (lack of attention).
Now I think critics should shut up, reapect the freedom of speech (to make music I mean) and not criticize. You can all hate and hate, that's why our world is not in the right state. Hatred, c'mon, where's the love???
Love Point Blanc man, I have no doubt, this will be a start to a new revolution of Malaysian English Music industry. Give them support.
God Bless.
Peace.
Wow, really tired man need to read so many words. LOL
Anyway, I'm waiting for the CD.
@Vince
"t’s funny how people claim Wikipedia as unreliable only when it’s convenient."
And isn't it convenient that people blindly believe wiki?
If it is wrong it is wrong, there is nothing to it. Wikipedia is a free, open and global encyclopedia project that ANYONE, you, me or any of the billions of people in this world can create, add, modify, edit Any entry in Wiki. If I started an entry saying that the name Vince really has Satanic culture tied to it, does it make it true? No it doesnt'
What makes it so incredible is that people are willing to argue about the "fact" read in Wiki by some anonymous person and not even understand the simple word that it is describing or listen to people who are Actually From Ipoh.
I am FROM Ipoh, In my 28 years of life, I have NEVER EVER Once heard of the term Ipoh Mali used as any degratory term. It basically means "From Ipoh". This is the first time, I've ever heard it brought up and suddenly there are "credible sources" of its authenticity? Load of bull shit. <- That is a degratory term.
You would think that an Ipoh person would be the one familiar with their own home town slang, I've not heard of it.
You'd think that if this "slang" is so popular, common and even true, the Perak Football FA has it in their official fan Chant/Song for the past two decades?
If you are not a Malaysian, instead of spreading more untruth, learn about the reality of things before mouthing off. If you are a Malaysia and cannot see, understand and defend a simple slang play of the word "Mali", I pity you. If you are from Ipoh and acutally believe in the drivel you read on the Net despite your own heritage, I pity you more.
just a stranger passing by, reading about this controversial. i guess what's significant enough for people to put their thoughts to is the lyrics of the song. well, look at the bright side, if people were keen enuf to know more about the controversial, they would certainly googled up the lyrics, no? (just like what i did). and the lyrics speak of point's journey to be a recognizable star in msia's hip hop industry. furthermore, it encourages younger ones to follow their dream and taking point as an example of success whenever one fails. for me, those credits are uncomparable to the meaning of the simple colloquial term, ipoh mali. in my opinion, so what if the term ipohmali is true for prostitutes etc, i guess there's a distinction between street lingo and what the world deemed it to be. i guess all misunderstandings should be left aside. if one would be so eager not to let any defamation towarads our country, he should instead prove a distinction between the true intentions of the song and the other meanin etc. who knows, this song would mark a history and change people's negative perceptions about the word as today is tomorrow's history, no? again, hopefully no offence made by me..im just a kid leaving his thoughts pertainin this controversial. all the best.
hope the controversy has ended...Ipohmali is great!
Alison
Come on everyone...
I am not here to defend anyone, but wanted to say something:-
I think Vince was just trying to point out that there are 2 sides to a coin, and that just because most people do not know about it, does not mean it is not true...
As for arguing about Wikipedia being user-based etc, well, 'user-based' must mean that people are using it, no? Otherwise, how did the term Ipoh Mali and the 'meaning' come about? Someone must have entered it there...Anyway, for the IpohMali issue to become a 'controversy', there must be quite some people who were of the opinion that the term was refering to prostitutes, no?
As for Point Blanc, come on...It's not a big deal lar...You are not expected to know everything, and nobody will hold it against you lar...No artiste will purposely go out and make derogatory remarks like that lar (Malaysia at least)...
All you had to do was say: 'Aiya, I didn't realise there was another possible meaning...I sincerely meant: 'Come/Came from Ipoh'...
People will understand...I would have accepted that as that, and said, aiya, no biggie lar...Poor fella didn't realise after got big issue...
But to be honest, your blatant shooting down of Vince is over the hill...
It is your blog, which means, big chnaces are, people will support you lar...
Give the man the chance to say what he wants to say, and morover, you say in one comment: "Self absorbed, ignorant people like you who spread it around thinking it is the truth with a higher than thou attitude."
Don't you think maybe people could say you're adopting the same attitude? The same goes for the 'finger pointing' and 'the casting of stones'...
So, just a humble suggestion: Next time, when it comes to such arbitrary things (seriously, who knows which of you is right? It's not a fact, fact) disagree with facts/arguments/point, but don't get personal...
Shake hands lar both of you...
Cheerio!
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